Re: [Iasa20] Barry Leiba's Discuss on draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

[Joseph Lorenzo Hall <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 7:39 AM Mirja Kuehlewind <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Brian, hi Ted, hi all,
>
> Please see one more comment below.
>
> > On 8. Apr 2019, at 22:57, Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 09-Apr-19 06:15, Ted Hardie wrote:
> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 11:01 AM Russ Housley <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>    Yes, I agree that the length of the term was discussed.  I do no
> recall this aspect being discussed.
> >>
> >>    At least one board seat will change every year.  If the two-year
> term stands, then only half of the IESG can be considered for the seat, and
> that would be the people that have the same IESG term as the IETF Chair.
> The other half cannot be sure that they will still be on the IESG for a
> full two years.
> >>
> >>
> >> As Joe noted, they do not have to be members of the IESG at all.  If
> they were appointed while on the IESG and then rotated off by NomCom
> action, they could still serve the remaining year.  Presumably, the IESG
> would have to take that into account when deciding who to select, but it is
> pretty clearly permitted by the document now.
> >
> > Agreed. And as somebody else pointed out, the incumbent can always resign
> > if they happen to leave the IESG mid-term; or not, if they are happy to
> > continue for another year, including of course communicating with the
> > IESG as needed. If they were a worthy Board member in the first place,
> > where's the problem?
>
> That actually brings me to another question of my comment. Yes, the
> appointee can reign but as far as I understand there is no way for the IESG
> to remove someone. Was that considered. Is that intended. I mean if the
> chair takes the director position, it would be very unlikely or uncommon to
> for the IESG to move that person. However, if someone else is hold this
> position, I can imagine situations that could occur.
>

I think the only way to remove a non-NomCom appointed LLC Board member is
through the IETF recall process noted in Section 6.7. If I recall
correctly, this was because it didn't really make sense for the board to be
able to remove the ISOC-appointed director (as presumably ISOC would just
re-appoint that person). So for the IESG-appointed slot recall would need
to be the mechanism used here. best, Joe

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