Re: [Ibnemo] Configured service models

Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> Sun, 01 November 2015 12:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ibnemo] Configured service models
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Dear all,

IIRC, I said that there are two aspects that make such work proposal at 
risk at the IETF.
1. we go up in the layers (within the API world) with this work, outside 
of the comfort zone of the IETF.
2. the industry will not wait for 2 years to have standardized 
primitives, specifically for a domain specific set of primitives.
This is why I mentioned that opensource is IMO is the best way for such 
a project. There are already several  projects: NIC, Group Based Policy, 
NEMO, Congress. The market will tell us which one will impose itself in 
the end. And, if a RFC is needed then, ISE is there. Ex: ovsdb (RFC 7047).

Regards, Benoit
> During our bar-bof at IETF93, Benoit asked/stated:
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> Configured service models are outside the scope of the IETF.
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> We're not sure what Benoit meant here.
> Benoit, can you elaborate?
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> If others have views/opinions, pleas make them know to this list.
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> Bert
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