Re: [Ibnemo] [Sdn] Defining a Common Model for intent
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Stuart: High What and high level Why are intent issues. The rest (who, what, where, when) is the context. The question is how do we tease a part the "pure" intent versus the context and constraint. Can you look at this example: Intent: [What] Connect my remote offices to my corporate headquarters [why] to get Big Data input from remote offices, and results back to offices. Why seems to be the constraint in this description. Is this what you were thinking about? Sue -----Original Message----- From: sdn [mailto:sdn-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of STUART VENTERS Sent: Monday, June 08, 2015 10:22 AM To: sdn@irtf.org Cc: 'Zhoutianran'; ibnemo@ietf.org; Susan Hares; Bert Wijnen (IETF) Subject: Re: [Sdn] [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent All, Over the weekend I figured out what is bugging me about the word intent. Thinking about the interface (role?) between the customer and service provider. To provision a service, the provider needs to know the following: WHO the customer is. (the billing and technical contact info, perhaps a PO number, and if the customer is a residence or business) WHAT sort of service. (the speeds and feeds, what packet headers the network is aware of, addressing, special things like nat or firewall, etc) WHERE the service should appear. (physical location of the endpoints, maybe logical circuit ID's) WHEN the service should work. (Install date, maybe the 100Gig for backups only works at night?) Conspicuously missing is the following question: WHY the customer wants the service. (Perhaps the provider could provide a better service if he knew this?) To me, the word 'intent' focuses one to think about WHY. Saying that the service is provisioned based on intent, implys that the service provider can figure out what to do from mostly the WHY question. This seems misleading. That said, to figure out how to specify a service, there are all sorts of interesting questions in the who, what, where, when area. I wonder if this is where this intent stuff should head? -Stuart _______________________________________________ sdn mailing list sdn@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sdn
- [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
- [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent PEDRO ANDRES ARANDA GUTIERREZ
- Re: [Ibnemo] [Sdn] Defining a Common Model for in… Dave Hood
- Re: [Ibnemo] [Sdn] Defining a Common Model for in… Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
- [Ibnemo] 答复: Defining a Common Model for intent Xiayinben
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- Re: [Ibnemo] 答复: Defining a Common Model for inte… Natale, Bob
- Re: [Ibnemo] 答复: Defining a Common Model for inte… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
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- Re: [Ibnemo] [Nfvrg] 答复: Defining a Common Model … Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Natale, Bob
- [Ibnemo] 答复: [Nfvrg] 答复: Defining a Common Model … Xiayinben
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] [Sdn] Defining a Common Model for in… Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Natale, Bob
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Zhoutianran
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Zhoutianran
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Bert Wijnen (IETF)
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Natale, Bob
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Susan Hares
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- Re: [Ibnemo] Defining a Common Model for intent Zhoutianran
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- [Ibnemo] 答复: [Nfvrg] 答复: Defining a Common Model … Xiayinben
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