Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability
Mark Allman <mallman@icir.org> Tue, 30 March 2004 23:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability
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> my mantra these days is "review early, review often". (However, doing > the former will reduce the need for the latter.) I completely agree. > The idea for reviews needs to be that they are for the purpose of > improving working group technical quality, rather than for swaying an > area director. Got it. One would really hope that swaying an area director would be roughly the same as swaying the community. In other words, that the ADs are reflecting community consensus when they lodge big complaints. E.g., a transport AD saying "nope, this doesn't have congestion control, try again" is not the opinion of that AD. That is a broad opinion of the IETF, I believe (for most protocols). Therefore, a reviewer saying "there is no CC and that is not going to fly" is relly just a reflection of community consensus that will, if unchanged, will manifest itself in the IESG review. Of course, I am sure that maybe some ADs have hot-button issues that do not enjoy IETF consensus. Is it a goal of some review mechanism to beat such opinions out of the process? It'd be nice to try to minimize these things, I think. But, I am not sure a review process is the way to do it. (Or, am I using different words to say the same thing you're trying to say?) Thanks! allman -- Mark Allman -- ICIR -- http://www.icir.org/mallman/
- [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Mark Allman
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Late review management (Re: [Icar] independence o… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Eric Rosen
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Scott W Brim
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… avri
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Eric Rosen
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Mark Allman