Re: [Icar] A modest proposal for moving forward with ICAR

Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Sun, 14 November 2004 06:20 UTC

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:20:30 -0500
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
To: Spencer Dawkins <spencer@mcsr-labs.org>, ICAR Mailing List <icar@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Icar] A modest proposal for moving forward with ICAR
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one further suggestion.....

why wait for permission, or to be asked? Why not perform the wg-00 reviews, 
archive them, and build experience that way?

If we can build on a body of experience that says "these wg-00 reviews were 
done, these wg-00 reviews were helpful", I think persuading WG chairs and 
ADs - AND potential reviewers - that this is a beneficial procedure to be 
followed will be easier.

Vigilante Reviewers Of Oncoming Material, anyone?
(VROOM!)

--On 12. november 2004 09:06 -0500 Spencer Dawkins <spencer@mcsr-labs.org> 
wrote:

> Howzabout we
>
> - identify an AD who is willing to commit one or more working groups
>   as experiment fodder,
> - assign ICAR reviewers to any individual drafts that are adopted
>   as WG items
> - review for document structure and completeness THEN, so
>   draft-ietf-WG-mumble-00.txt is always our best effort, and
> - report the reviews and experiences with this experiment in
>   Minneapolis?
>
> This has the advantage of doing something now with the resources that
> we have now ("contents may settle due to shipping").





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