Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability)
Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com> Wed, 10 March 2004 21:47 UTC
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:42:28 -0500
To: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>,
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From: Margaret Wasserman <margaret@thingmagic.com>
Subject: Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independence of reviews;
variability)
Cc: Spencer Dawkins <spencer@mcsr-labs.org>, icar@ietf.org
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>Once again, diversity of perspectives is our friend... that is, if we >believe in community rough consensus, rather than hierarchical assertion >of authority. This touches on a thought I've had off-and-on for the past couple of years... The current IETF structures, policies and processes are based on some fundamental assumptions two of which are (1) that making decisions by rough consensus, reached through an open process will achieve good results, and (2) we can select leaders (ADs, WG chairs, etc.) and trust them to fairly solicit, judge and act upon rough community consensus. Sometimes, though, we seem to question those assumption, and we end up adding structures, policies or processes that are intended to protect us from the results of our own consensus-driven decisions. I think that is (and has been) a mistake. While there is no decision making process (hierarchical, democratic, I just get to decide...) that achieves good results all of the time, the consensus-driven process has worked well for the IETF over the years. By failing to trust it, we don't actually move to another effective decision making process, we just break the one that we have. I think that this same line of thinking applies to review... We should put into place the mechanisms, tools, training, etc. to improve the community's capacity to provide quality review. Perhaps we should provide mechanisms that help WGs' find and recruit reviewers. We could even develop some guidelines about what type and quantity of review makes sense at each level. But, ultimately, I think that we should trust that our WGs (and our WG chairs, document editors, etc.) actually _want_ to produce good quality, well-reviewed work. We can improve their ability to do that by giving them better tools, but we won't achieve anything by trying to enforce quality through "better" rules. If we decide, as a community, that we can no longer trust the consensus process and/or the motivations of our ADs, WG chairs or document editors, we have a _much_ bigger problem than can be solved by changing our review processes. Margaret _______________________________________________ Icar mailing list Icar@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icar
- [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Mark Allman
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Late review management (Re: [Icar] independence o… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Eric Rosen
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Scott W Brim
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… avri
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Eric Rosen
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Mark Allman