Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction
Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Sat, 06 November 2004 22:27 UTC
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Margaret Wasserman wrote: > > Hi All, > > (Writing just as an interested participant...) > > I've been watching the evolution of ICAR, and it seems like we aren't > succeeding in building a centralized structure for early review. I > think that there are a number of reasons for this, the most pertinent of > which (IMO) is that a WG is not the right vehicle to develop and manage > a program. > > So, I have some ideas for directions that ICAR could take that don't > involve building a centralized review infrastructure, so they might be > more suitable to > > (1) Document cross-area review criteria. This would help to educate > authors and ad hoc early reviewers in what to look for. > > (2) Develop a process for WG chairs to use existing area review > resources (MIB Doctors, GEN-ART, Security directorate, Ops directorate, > etc.) to get early review for their documents? Maybe this could be a > proposed "July 14" experiment? These are both good suggestions. I wonder if the charter of the TOOLs effort can be twisted a bit to host this work. It's interesting that we've had two damp squibs (SIRs and now apparently ICAR) but MIB doctoring, GEN-ART etc seem to be working nicely. Brian _______________________________________________ Icar mailing list Icar@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icar
- [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction Pekka Savola
- Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction Alex Rousskov
- Tools? (Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction) Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Tools? (Re: [Icar] Thoughts on ICAR direction) Mark Allman