Re: [Icar] an early review experiment
Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> Wed, 19 May 2004 21:59 UTC
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From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
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Subject: Re: [Icar] an early review experiment
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On Wed, 19 May 2004, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > --On 19. mai 2004 09:07 -0400 Mark Allman <mallman@icir.org> wrote: > > + How binding are early, cross area review comments on authors / > > editors / WGs? > > > > I'd like to hear additional opinions on this point. > > having been through some 70 reviews in the Gen-ART group, I know very well > that some review comments are based on misunderstandings, and some only > point out that the point needs to be better explained... I think that it's > vital that review comments be *addressed*, but frankly, sometimes the WG or > the author will be *right*! What Harald said. IMO it's a requreirement that the comments have to be addressed. If you think the comment is off base, send a mail to _discuss_ why you think so. If the person agrees, the comment is addressed, no need to change anything. Or add something else wherever to clarify. If you can't reach consensus (e.g., you think the suggestion is bad one, but the review will not relent), bigger guns must come to the play to judge the situation, e.g., the appropriate ADs, or whatever. The whole point of early cross-area review would be useless if the comments could be ignored on whim. And on the other hand, if the commenters are not sufficient good judges of what's a critical issue and what's not, we'd have an equally big problem. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ Icar mailing list Icar@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icar
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