Re: [Icar] icar futures?

Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Tue, 16 November 2004 15:55 UTC

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My guess is that to corporate suits, "directorate" sounds
like a control point and "review" sounds passive. If we can
find a way of making "review" sound as important as we believe
it to be, that will help.

      Brian

Mark Allman wrote:
>>My sponsoring organization really liked the marketing aspects of
>>supporting "Senior Internet Reviewers". I can explain to my sponsoring
>>organization why I participate in directorates, and I can explain why
>>I participate in an Area Review Team. Given a finite number of hours
>>in the day...
> 
> 
> I want to drill on this.  I don't get it at all.
> 
> I can see the obvious appeal of "senior...".  But, the rest of the above
> you say you can "explain" (e.g., you can explain participation in a
> directorate (that does not have a sexy name)).  So, if you can explain
> and justify directorate work then why can't you explain ICAR work?  I am
> trying to figure out if there is something fundamental here that is
> causing problems.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> allman
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