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Re: [Icar] ICAR draft charter

Melinda Shore <mshore@cisco.com> Wed, 07 January 2004 22:01 UTC

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Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:41:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [Icar] ICAR draft charter
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I prefer the new, terser version.  There's still some material
in it that could be clearer, though.  You use a lot of different
terms to describe various kinds of reviews and it's not always
obvious what you mean by them.  I think it would be useful to
consolidate where possible and then define each of the terms and
what their relationship is (I assume that some are classes of
cross-area review, but I don't know that).  Similarly, you say
that the wg will cooperate with "others," but I don't know who
"others" means.  Also, have we decided to use a wg process to
make broader changes to IETF structure and processes?  The last
paragraph may need to change as the superstructure is defined
more clearly by the IESG.

So, I like the new version but think it could benefit from more
terminological clarity.

Melinda


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