Re: [Icar] Progress?

[Dave Crocker <[e-mail]>]

Mark,


MA> I'll buy this.  But, there is a fine line between developing culture and
MA> developing rules, I think.  I.e., if we're relying on folk (especially
MA> ADs) to cajole WGs into invoking the review function then we may be
MA> basically creating de-facto rules.

In the long-run, yes of course.  However the difference in the
near-term is massive.  Near-term is a seductive appeal to benefits,
with voluntary adoption, rather than a coercive imposition from an
external authority.


MA> The downside is time.  People already think the IETF process is too
MA> slow.  Adding another step may simply look like lengthening the
MA> process.

Given current IETF timeframes, it is more likely that review processes
will reduce the amount of time needed, rather than increasingly it, by
virtue of early, basic improvements in the specification.


MA>  Of course, the hope is that we're also lopping off a
MA> significant chunk at the end.

right.  but more than that.  better focus of the working group.


>> MA> SIRS didn't get much activity in the grand scheme of things.
>> I've commented on the tendency to dismiss the SIRS experience before.

MA> I was not insinuating that it was a failure.  We'd do things differently
MA> if we had it to do over.

I'm not so sure.  That would depend on the characteristics of the
process that one believes should be different.  I do not recall seeing
arguments against points of the SIRS structure or in favor of
alternative designs, that argue for superiority of results.


MA>   My point was that its existence did not
MA> immediately yield people clamoring for reviews.

Of course not.  This is a community this is currently responding to
crisis conditions by taking more than 2 years to make any meaningful
changes.


MA>   If getting a breadth of
MA> early reviews was self-evidently good then I'd have expected more.

You shouldn't have.

As I said, the problem is with the expectations.

d/
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 Dave Crocker <mailto:[e-mail]>
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