Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability)
Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Fri, 12 March 2004 16:51 UTC
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Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:21:40 -0800
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
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Subject: Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independence of reviews;
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--On 12. mars 2004 10:30 -0500 Eric Rosen <erosen@cisco.com> wrote: > > Avri> My hypothesis is that early reviews, especially if they are > tightly Avri> linked with the with the IESG and AD, will be more likely > to point out Avri> how to come in line with the AD's agenda. > > Excellent point. I had assumed that the "earlier, wider reviews" would > be harder for the ADs to control very closely (for reasons of scale, if > nothing else), but perhaps that assumption is wrong. If the effect of > early reviews is help special interest groups have more impact on the > WGs rather than less, we won't have made much progress. if early review works, it will certainly give more influence to the people who do the reviews......... > This all comes back to the underlying issue of whether "the > general interest" is best served by applying a variety of > perspectives (which I think means a variety of people with independent > perspectives, and by the marketplace), or whether it is best served by > having all the decisions made by a small group of know-it-alls. This > is one of the issues on which the problem-statement group failed to > agree. I don't know if there is a real conflict of theories here, or one of perspectives - in these discussions, I find that people seem to argue that the process they don't like (whether it's the IETF, the IESG or the WG) is a "small group of know-it-alls", while the process they like (whether it's the multiperspective review of the IESG or the review from a wider audience) is "a variety of people with independent perspectives". Wide review seems to be "motherhood and apple pie" - the question we're debating is, I think, how to achieve it. Harald _______________________________________________ Icar mailing list Icar@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/icar
- [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Mark Allman
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Late review management (Re: [Icar] independence o… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Margaret Wasserman
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Margaret Wasserman
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… David Meyer
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Eric Rosen
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Scott W Brim
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… avri
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Eric Rosen
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Dave Crocker
- Re: Late review management (Re: [Icar] independen… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Icar] independence of reviews; variability Mark Allman