Re: [iccrg] [tsvwg] L4S related activity in 3GPP

"Holland, Jake" <> Wed, 13 November 2019 06:58 UTC

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On 2019-11-10, 02:46, "Sebastian Moeller" <> wrote:
> [SM] has any one actually tested paced chirping (PC) over real-life
> bonded links? As far as I can see PC pretty much relies on a) little
> to no re-ordering of packets (weird given that L4S also wants to allow
> larger re-ordering tolerance by recommending/mandating the use of RACK)
> and b) that the packet delivery time of each packet reflects a common
> path characteristic (which is less true for a bonded link).

I'd certainly love to see paced chirping fleshed out.  If there's a robust
version, it seems a promising way to avoid overshooting on slow start for
just about everyone (so maybe we could all get rid of that latency spike
on scenario 5), and I'd think it could have applications even outside of
slow start anywhere you have a way to back off before pushing to overflow
(e.g. BBR, or something using SCE, as well as L4S).

Of course as the paper said, it's not ready yet, but it does also seem
potentially helpful for the use case of highly variable link throughput.
To me it seems worth keeping in mind and examining further, whether
or not you think L4S with ECT(1) will end up being viable.