Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Wed, 11 October 2017 01:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)
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> I can also see that clarifications about the intention or assurances
> about what the (proposed) WG should produce/focus on haven’t been
> enough to reduce the criticism of both the charter and the existing
> (individual) work.

that is because papering over dangerous things with assertions of good
intent is a path to hell.  one has to actually fix the things.

randy