Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Mon, 02 October 2017 16:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ideas] WG Review: IDentity Enabled Networks (ideas)
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> So, we see ID/Loc architectures as a useful tool for supporting this
> safety-of-flight critical ATM service. Should it be noted that there are
> use cases where mobile node tracking is indeed desirable?

Note Christian, in LISP you can have ephemeral and crypto EIDs. See draft-ietf-lisp-eid-anonymity-00 and draft-farinacci-lisp-ecdsa-auth-00, respectively, for details.

Dino