Re: [Ideas] Mapping System Requirements and draft-padma-ideas-problem-statement-00.txt

Dear Lin,

You bring interesting news to the table with your insight ...

IMHO any global mapping plane should be fully distributed with no root
under any specific gov.

Look at BGP protocol ... it does not require a root .. yet it allows to
dynamically interconnect quite a few of global databases. Of course from 30
years back we now know much more modern ways to share information then via
distance vector protocol. But none of those should be based on any politics
controlling "the root" of it no matter which side it is on.

/* Side comment .... */

When I spoke to some of the 5G folks this was clearly the direction and in
fact Dino's LISP was one of the strongest candidates there as control
plane.

Best,
Robert.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Lin Han <Lin.Han@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi, Dino
>
> Should we consider the security of sovereignty for the mapping system?
> This question is probably too early.
>
> As you know, DNS tree architecture introduced a lot debate historically
> for the ownership and operation of root DNS. Due to pressure from industry
> and other countries, USA government plans to hand over the operation of
> root DNS to IANA next month even there is a lot opposing voice from
> congress. It could change back again.
>
> One side is that the national security of US prefer the government
> operates the root DNS, another side is that other countries don’t like US
> to completely control the DNS.
>
> This is related to both technology and politics. Without the support of
> other countries, mapping server deployment globally will be in question.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Lin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ideas [mailto:ideas-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dino Farinacci
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> Subject: [Ideas] Mapping System Requirements and draft-padma-ideas-problem-
> statement-00.txt
>
> Hello folks. In draft-padma-ideas-problem-statement-00.txt, we have a
> section on mapping system requirements for map-n-encap and translation
> based loc/id split protocols. Rather than having you go into the document
> in detail (we wish you would and comment though), I will provide the short
> list below to attempt a discussion on requirements.
>
> I have copied the possible WGs that may want to use the mapping system
> technology. And I have also copied the LISP working group who can shed
> expertise on the subject as well as some beta lists that have some
> operational experiences with mapping database deployment and management.
>
> The requirements below have a security and robustness twist to it but I
> think that is the best place to start and to consider security “up front”.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Dino
>
> ----
>
> 6.4.  Mapping System Security
>
>    The secure mapping system must have the following requirements:
>
>    1.  The components of the mapping system need to be robust against
>        direct and indirect attacks.  If any component is attacked, the
>        rest of the system should act with integrity and scale and only
>        the information associated with the compromised component is made
>        unavailable.
>
>    2.  The addition and removal of components of the mapping system must
>        be performed in a secure matter so as to not violate the
>        integrity and operation of the system and service it provides.
>
>    3.  The information returned by components of the mapping system
>        needs to be authenticated as to detect spoofing from
>        masqueraders.
>
>    4.  Information registered (by publishers) to the mapping system must
>        be authenticated so the registering entity or the information is
>        not spoofed.
>
>    5.  The mapping system must allow request access (for subscribers) to
>        be open and public.  However, it is optional to provide
>        confidentiality and authentication of the requesters and the
>        information they are requesting.
>
>    6.  Any information provided by components of the mapping system must
>        be cryptographically signed by the provider and verified by the
>        consumer.
>
>    7.  Message rate-limiting and other heuristics must be part of the
>        foundational support of the mapping system to protect the system
>        from invalid overloaded conditions.
>
>    8.  The mapping system should support some form of provisioned
>        policy.  Either internal to the system or via mechanisms for
>        users of the system to describe policy rules.  Access control
>        should not use traditional granular-based access lists since they
>        do not scale and are hard to manage.  By the use of token- or
>        key- based authentication methods as well as deploying multiple
>        instances of the mapping system will allow acceptable policy
>        profiles.  Machine learning techniques could automate these
>        mechanisms.
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