Re: [Ideas] Kathleen Moriarty's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)

[Kathleen Moriarty <[e-mail]>]

Hi Bob,

I think it's really important to have the community hash this out in a
formal BoF.  If that does not happen, I'd bet the work will get held
up in appeal cycles.  I don't think the community is ready to have
this work go forward in it current state.  Lots of work has gone into
preventing tracking at other layers and that work is important.

Best,
Kathleen

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz
<[e-mail]> wrote:
> I am and have been on Jewish Holidays since Sept 20th and it continues until
> Oct 16th.  But there is some time between all of the actual Holidays to see
> how far I have fallen behind.
>
> First:  I have a contract with Huawei to work on IDEAS and I believe I have
> a track record of concern for and methods of addressing privacy.  I plan on
> doing my best not to allow this item to slip even for ID/Loc technologies
> that are not fundimentally security based.  With my work on HIP, this whole
> area is one I have spent a lot of cycles thinking about and how I would
> tackle it if people would pay me to work on it (see start of this para).
>
> Second:  Privacy is in the charter.  You want more privacy, work on the
> documents.
>
> Third:  I am in private conversations with companies that want me to help
> develop point solutions that IDEAS is addressing in the broad. Only one of
> which is really paying attention to privacy and security.  This will happen,
> piecemeal, if the IETF does not get out in front of the wave.  Another 4
> month delay is not good.  One of the projects is in final funding efforts.
> And I think I am seeing only a piece of what companies are out there trying
> to invent.
>
> Fourth: Privacy concerns are in the charter.  I have a number of IDEAS (pun
> intented) on how to build up a strong privacy model and still have
> expectation that it will be deployed.
>
> Finally, I am just one person, and can be run over by an IETF bus. It has
> happened before.  I got ran over by the CANbus 25 years ago...
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 10/10/2017 12:25 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:
>>
>> Kathleen Moriarty has entered the following ballot position for
>> charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: Block
>>
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>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-ideas/
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>> BLOCK:
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>> I think there should be another BoF to discuss the privacy aspects and let
>> the
>> community have a chance to voice opinions and fully hash this out.  I
>> suspect
>> we'll see appeals (rightfully so) if that does not happen.
>>
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Best regards,
Kathleen