Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)
Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com> Wed, 11 October 2017 19:42 UTC
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From: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:42:15 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote: > I am reaching out to the SD-WAN community. There has been huge investment > from the VC community in overlay startups. They are all using proprietary > control-planes. There is no interoperability among them. The IETF should > not ignore this market and should help shape it. > > This is VXLAN-in-the-data-center market all over again making IETF working > group nvo3 irrelevant. > > Mapping Databases ARE being deployed under the auspices of > SDN-controllers. There are high profile user-groups that endorse the > activity. It is not going away. > > IETF needs to lead and not follow. > > +1 The need for a common mapping system has already been discussed for for years in nvo3. With the emergence of identifier-locator protocols, and particularly their utility to provide seamless mobility at large scale, the need for a well defined mapping system has become more evident. IMO this is a problem IETF should work on. Note that identity, which is what most of this discussion has been about, is only one aspect of the mapping system for identifier-locator protocols and network virtualization. There are many other aspects that have not been mentioned but need attention. I am worried that we might be throwing the baby out with the bath water as they say... Tom > Dino > > > > On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> (1) The work is insufficiently motivated. The claims about the need for > the > >> mapping system and the identity management system envisioned here do > not appear > >> to be backed up by those who have developed and deployed ID/LOC > separation > >> protocols. Nor do there seem to be compelling arguments that the > framework that > >> this proposed WG would produce would be the motivator for further > interoperable > >> deployments. > > > > This is simply not true. The IETF mailing lists are not finding the > reach of interest that exists in the industry > > > > Be that as it may, the determination of consensus and justification has > to be made primarily on what appears on the mailing lists and at meetings. > > > > -Ekr > > > > > > Dino > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ideas mailing list > Ideas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ideas >
- [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ide… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alia Atlas
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Lan Gao