Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)

Padma Pillay-Esnault <padma.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 11 October 2017 19:25 UTC

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 12:25:32 -0700
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To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>; wrote:

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> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>;
> wrote:
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>> (1) The work is insufficiently motivated. The claims about the need for
>> the
>> mapping system and the identity management system envisioned here do not
>> appear
>> to be backed up by those who have developed and deployed ID/LOC separation
>> protocols. Nor do there seem to be compelling arguments that the
>> framework that
>> this proposed WG would produce would be the motivator for further
>> interoperable
>> deployments.
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>> This is simply not true. The IETF mailing lists are not finding the reach
>> of interest that exists in the industry
>>
>

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> Be that as it may, the determination of consensus and justification has to
> be made primarily on what appears on the mailing lists and at meetings.
>

Why are we discounting the interest showed at the BOF?

Padma

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> -Ekr
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>> Dino
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