Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)

Dino Farinacci <> Wed, 11 October 2017 19:59 UTC

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> Dino and I are connected outside the IETF.  These groups come to us to talk, then go back and do their own thing to fill the void.  They will NOT come to the IETF, but will take what is offered.

And of course, the typical mantra from them (and I know you all have heard this before):

(1) The IETF is too slow.

(2) The IETF cannot decide.

(3) The IETF has too many options. So we are going to pick one and put our Intellectual Property on top of it (i.e. SD-WAN IPsec doesn’t interoperate).

(4) We can do protocols better and faster than the IETF.

(5) We want to build our own protocols so we look innovative.

(6) We can get strategic interoperability with our business partners.