Re: [Ideas] Your Input requested: Charter Proposal New Version
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From: "Diego R. Lopez" <diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com>
To: Uma Chunduri <uma.chunduri@huawei.com>, Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>, Padma Pillay-Esnault <padma.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ideas] Your Input requested: Charter Proposal New Version
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Hi Uma, On 10/8/2017, 24:30 , "Uma Chunduri" <uma.chunduri@huawei.com> wrote: > - in addition, introduce the concept of identity-identifier split and new > mechanisms that let endpoints dynamically change identifiers. These new > functionalities may, for example, facilitate anonymity through obscurity > while preventing security issues that might result from abuse, ensuring that > information about actual endpoints and their location is revealed only on a > need-to-know basis. > Padma, I don't think this goes far enough in terms of protections for users against the potential abuse of something that might be able to individually and persistently identify them on the Internet. First, it's not clear what network layer identity means in this context. I hope it refers to an ad hoc collection of identifiers as opposed to the identity of individual users or devices. In any case maybe a definition of identity might be in order here. Secondly, I think it should be stated up front that identity cannot in any way be used to identify individual users, it cannot be used to create a global database of Internet users, in no way can it be used by networks or governments to track or block individuals, nor can it ever be required for communications. That implies network layer identities cannot contain PII (personally identifiable information) and cannot be permanently assigned to users or devices (in the same spirit that Ethernet addresses were removed from IIDs because of privacy concerns). Thanks, Tom When it comes to these concerns I’d strongly recommend to have a look at how identity attributes were exchanged and trust established within the ABFAB framework (https://tools.ietf.org/wg/abfab/) [Uma]: Though this is not about SSOs or application stuff, thanks for the pointer. I always believed EAP has a role to play for IDy auth procedures and lot of concerns brought out here (especially related to Identity-privacy) are effectively taken care with existing mechanisms. ABFAB was not about SSO, but about using user identities to allow their access to network services while protecting user privacy. And among those services you could consider any kind of application or connectivity service… Be goode, -- "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" Dr Diego R. Lopez Telefonica I+D http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ e-mail: diego.r.lopez@telefonica.com Tel: +34 913 129 041 Mobile: +34 682 051 091 ----------------------------------- ________________________________ Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilización, divulgación y/o copia sin autorización puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislación vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda a su destrucción. The information contained in this transmission is privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, do not read it. Please immediately reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error and then delete it. Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu destinatário, pode conter informação privilegiada ou confidencial e é para uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. Se não é vossa senhoria o destinatário indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura, utilização, divulgação e/ou cópia sem autorização pode estar proibida em virtude da legislação vigente. Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique imediatamente por esta mesma via e proceda a sua destruição
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