Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)

Dino,

I hear and understand your frustration and am, frankly, delighted to hear
that you are reaching out to the SD-WAN community.

In making a determination of work to be done, considering the broader
industry and associated eco-systems is critical.  Having sufficient
IETF community interest to do the work is also important - but sometimes
engagement happens after or when a WG is chartered.

As for the usual mantra, a standard pushback is that the IETF is as fast as
the volunteers who are supported to do the work....
Innovation is even more persuasive when it is an IETF RFC :-)

Please let me know if I can help.

Regards,
Alia

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Dino and I are connected outside the IETF.  These groups come to us to
> talk, then go back and do their own thing to fill the void.  They will NOT
> come to the IETF, but will take what is offered.
>
> And of course, the typical mantra from them (and I know you all have heard
> this before):
>
> (1) The IETF is too slow.
>
> (2) The IETF cannot decide.
>
> (3) The IETF has too many options. So we are going to pick one and put our
> Intellectual Property on top of it (i.e. SD-WAN IPsec doesn’t interoperate).
>
> (4) We can do protocols better and faster than the IETF.
>
> (5) We want to build our own protocols so we look innovative.
>
> (6) We can get strategic interoperability with our business partners.
>
> Dino
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