Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)

Dino Farinacci <> Wed, 11 October 2017 21:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)
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> On Oct 11, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Alissa Cooper <> wrote:
>> On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Dino Farinacci <> wrote:
>>> Dino and I are connected outside the IETF.  These groups come to us to talk, then go back and do their own thing to fill the void.  They will NOT come to the IETF, but will take what is offered.
>> And of course, the typical mantra from them (and I know you all have heard this before):
>> (1) The IETF is too slow.
>> (2) The IETF cannot decide.
>> (3) The IETF has too many options. So we are going to pick one and put our Intellectual Property on top of it (i.e. SD-WAN IPsec doesn’t interoperate).
>> (4) We can do protocols better and faster than the IETF.
>> (5) We want to build our own protocols so we look innovative.
>> (6) We can get strategic interoperability with our business partners.
> I don’t understand how chartering this WG with the proposed charter — to write a framework document — 

Agree. But the work is important and the limited definition of the work MUST be in the charter.

> “The IETF” amounts to the people who come to the IETF to do the work and review the work. Work doesn’t get chartered unless the people who want it can at least minimally engage, explain why they want it in a way that is compelling to others, and explain how it fits within the scope of the rest of the IETF’s work and the internet architecture.
> As I said in my note to Tom, this charter ballot isn’t a death sentence on all mapping system work forever more. It’s a judgment about the charter text and deliverables as they are right now.

Understand. Thanks for being open minded.


> Alissa
>> Dino