Re: [Ideas] [5gangip] Comments to draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues-00

Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> Wed, 21 September 2016 20:59 UTC

Return-Path: <farinacci@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ideas@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ideas@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CBD12B9F3; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TM8tOuPhq_GE; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pa0-x234.google.com (mail-pa0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B777F12B820; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pa0-x234.google.com with SMTP id wk8so21812804pab.1; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=GTumJtwXGffJa2Esd88M0iEhpGYNA6YJKEd7jv365HM=; b=Nz162H5xlxqyiYczZQs/lrvHhRnivMqwcVq39U/yScThL4iOKmofRE563LroGu6/hB YHJmamW0Jyt9mU5JExK2BKGT7W5VeSuM/+1IfSltNKchDxdsmksGGiRd1iEPskMPAxrh H8GgP3XlWykWMCBpErkHqaqdVf6Ql9oqNFr4++seypkgc35vOH3Wy/MiZPXxPIiq0bQt jP5IPaitwmipOkCbtgCXHkzgMuu/BZFWi3QGP1/4PrjAOgWo9LuTviJu0Z6dXW6PZPQS RiaitpMhl8wA8kZMOTRslswNXqF7K2UJRFVQdXB3ENVnpMIok4mVm0rb6sf4KOYpOkEe EpIg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=GTumJtwXGffJa2Esd88M0iEhpGYNA6YJKEd7jv365HM=; b=kNpJeYXw8BFiGL/g/8FE5/U90++MnKK6dl/tedRYn+e9/X2ZYCFLim46FPc9QGqAxZ c/nij2En4BlfqTP7RYdDTcoLWKDll8UgsF6Ek1Z5aN5jbflpKKgWXnOgWQnp0ZOFXRd/ 65UrXeakZpg+RUBVQloFPatvga2x5ZfMfGafzZWdaDQI69NIKF06Yadn0qgk7cqHCKxQ gutAgpr3aT8pgeAPh7OGErk0ZbKHsDJU3uch3s+eiQ+D1AaGkTDuDiivxIvmpIBLgQoH JxGgNu6mm1wJedvtJqjCXXPCbAFP+arbrlff4Mg6mFyk6i8WoIg7yiggMRyUNSa4pkY9 AzBA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwP5/FBrg9lWzu8FV/DGNvltLIYsh+snzTVqA9A8b9cd7H/btqKLLhlUUAcNkghkjA==
X-Received: by 10.66.217.170 with SMTP id oz10mr68850874pac.61.1474491555261; Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [172.31.98.172] (mobile-166-184-174-155.mycingular.net. [166.184.174.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id sa1sm22593542pac.34.2016.09.21.13.59.13 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:59:14 -0700 (PDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\))
From: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <b776ff07cf9e4007b75acdfa2f26a2a0@XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:59:10 -0700
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <0BD593BB-4E8E-4A0A-A961-42BD73288AC5@gmail.com>
References: <AA6C2C69-3B95-4F14-B301-2B7DB83D3373@gmail.com> <CAC8QAcca1fx-Z8b-Q_Kdv9_ETgjov9RsPt+CeDN5wrC=5WoTaw@mail.gmail.com> <29FC5745-22E5-4E0E-A918-822BD30DE610@gmail.com> <7cc516e0-b966-5ed0-55ed-f6e31ec90753@htt-consult.com> <CAD6AjGQqq2Y7a7GkRyxJbaQU+1D1+BNqQjhxDudr=rppvjzKOQ@mail.gmail.com> <BB0E6438-E1F4-4D46-AA71-BC5EAE009433@gmail.com> <CAD6AjGSF80EMy4fDv8CSGmVMXN2+j+V=q-o8RCVos_Lzx1RiJQ@mail.gmail.com> <b776ff07cf9e4007b75acdfa2f26a2a0@XCH-RTP-018.cisco.com>
To: "David Lake (dlake)" <dlake@cisco.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ideas/eqrQAfOSGzk5Uvz1HVKo1958g4U>
Cc: "5gangip@ietf.org" <5gangip@ietf.org>, "ideas@ietf.org" <ideas@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Ideas] [5gangip] Comments to draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues-00
X-BeenThere: ideas@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussions relating to the development, clarification, and implementation of control-plane infrastructures and functionalities in ID enabled networks." <ideas.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ideas>, <mailto:ideas-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ideas/>
List-Post: <mailto:ideas@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ideas-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ideas>, <mailto:ideas-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:59:17 -0000

> We need to abstract the human communication piece from the underlying network substrate(s).

And note, mobility just isn’t a feature in 5G. We want to roam within 5G, within WiFi, and across each technology. And there is BT, BLE, and LTE-NB coming. Just to name a few.

Right now the applications don’t help us out here (and they shouldn’t, this is a lower level problem). And, as David says, we humans have to “Tap on Settings, click Wifi, turn it off to use LTE, etc. 

Can you believe in the year 2016, we as users have to do this!

Dino