Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)

Dino Farinacci <> Wed, 11 October 2017 19:30 UTC

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I am reaching out to the SD-WAN community. There has been huge investment from the VC community in overlay startups. They are all using proprietary control-planes. There is no interoperability among them. The IETF should not ignore this market and should help shape it.

This is VXLAN-in-the-data-center market all over again making IETF working group nvo3 irrelevant.

Mapping Databases ARE being deployed under the auspices of SDN-controllers. There are high profile user-groups that endorse the activity. It is not going away. 

IETF needs to lead and not follow.


> On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Eric Rescorla <> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Dino Farinacci <> wrote:
>> (1) The work is insufficiently motivated. The claims about the need for the
>> mapping system and the identity management system envisioned here do not appear
>> to be backed up by those who have developed and deployed ID/LOC separation
>> protocols. Nor do there seem to be compelling arguments that the framework that
>> this proposed WG would produce would be the motivator for further interoperable
>> deployments.
> This is simply not true. The IETF mailing lists are not finding the reach of interest that exists in the industry
> Be that as it may, the determination of consensus and justification has to be made primarily on what appears on the mailing lists and at meetings.
> -Ekr
> Dino