Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)
Sam Sun <sam.sun.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 11 October 2017 20:38 UTC
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From: Sam Sun <sam.sun.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: (with BLOCK)
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My recall from the last BoF meeting is that we got quite a large number of hums on the issues reflected in the current charter. I believe there are sufficient motivations here. The disputes on privacy protection and discoverability in the mailing list only shows the interests from the community looking for a better solution. Having disputes about different approaches, or even question whether or not there’s any feasible solution, is exactly why we need to form a WG to work on this, IMHO. Sam On 10/11/17 10:53 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-ideas-00-06: Block > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-ideas/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > BLOCK: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I do not think this group is ready to be chartered at this time given the > significant objections from the community. > > There seem to be two key problems with the work as proposed: > > (1) The work is insufficiently motivated. The claims about the need for the > mapping system and the identity management system envisioned here do not appear > to be backed up by those who have developed and deployed ID/LOC separation > protocols. Nor do there seem to be compelling arguments that the framework that > this proposed WG would produce would be the motivator for further interoperable > deployments. > > (2) The work proposed here seems as if it would have a substantial intrinsic > impact on user privacy if widely deployed. In cases like these, I don't believe > it's sufficient to say that the WG will analyze the situation and propose > mitigations; the work proposal itself needs to explain how the design of the > infrastructure envisioned is going to mitigate what seem like obvious attacks > on privacy that the proposed designs open up. > > I think further discussions of this work (in private, on the list, at a bar in > Singapore, or at a potential future BoF) would need to resolve both of the > above issues in order to address concerns raised by the community. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ideas mailing list > Ideas@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ideas
- [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-ide… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Tom Herbert
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Robert Moskowitz
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Padma Pillay-Esnault
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Stewart Bryant
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Alia Atlas
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Sam Sun
- Re: [Ideas] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf… Lan Gao