Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft-faltstrom-unicode11-08
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From: "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
To: "Asmus Freytag (c)" <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>, "idna-update@ietf.org" <idna-update@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft-faltstrom-unicode11-08
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Hello Asmus, On 2019/03/20 01:24, Asmus Freytag (c) wrote: > On 3/19/2019 3:19 AM, Martin J. Dürst wrote: >> In the 6.0.0 timeframe, there were both more actual changes (3), and >> there was one change where we moved from PVALID to DISALLOWED, which I >> personally think is the tougher one (see >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6452#section-1.3) And looking at the >> code chart athttps://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1980.pdf, one may even >> reasonably argue that keeping U+19DA NEW TAI LUE THAM DIGIT ONE would >> have been the better choice, because when one compares U+19B1 NEW TAI >> LUE VOWEL SIGN AA and U+19D1 NEW TAI LUE DIGIT ONE and finds them having >> (at least on first approximation) the same glyph shape, one can easily >> guess that U+19DA NEW TAI LUE THAM_DIGIT_ ONE is used (this is only a >> quick conjection which would have to be confirmed) exactly in situations >> where the distinction between letters and digits is important, of which >> we know domain names are a good example. > > Here's a telling example of how a formal problem can be practically > irrelevant: > > I looked up New Tai Lue on Omniglot: > > "The new script is used exclusively in Jinghong, so could be called the > New Jinghong Tai Lue script, and is used for shop and street signs. > *Fe**w people can read it*. " (Emphasis mine). > > If you read the full text you get the impression that the whole script > represents a failed state-imposed "simplification". Unicode still needs > to encode it, so that archival texts from the period between 1950 and 1980 > can be encoded, but it's surely of no practical relevance for domain names. Interestingly enough, their page (at https://omniglot.com/writing/tailue.htm) shows the U+19DA NEW TAI LUE _THAM_ DIGIT ONE glyph rather than the U+19D1 NEW TAI LUE DIGIT ONE glyph in the Numerals section. Regards, Martin.
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Michel Suignard
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Idna-update] Genart telechat review of draft… Asmus Freytag