Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 11 March 2018 13:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences
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--On Saturday, 10 March, 2018 21:57 -0800 "Asmus Freytag (c)" <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >... > However, independent of the details of what may have been > exchanged a decade ago, I strongly suspect that going over > that ground is going to do little in terms of helping to make > progress forward. > > Instead, the sole question we should be asking is what can we > do to effectively improve the experience involving IDNs. I concur. The history is not, however, completely irrelevant. It can be important to avoid repeating prior mistakes and, perhaps, to calibrate some proposals going forward. In particular, there is some non-technical history that may constrain what we can consider today. In addition to a change of model, IDNA2008 included a few changes that invalidated some labels that were possibly in use ("possibly" because I'm talking about the whole DNS now, not just the root zone or second-level names) and changed the interpretation of others. Those changes were controversial and arguably remain so, but there was broad consensus in the registry community that they were worth it if (and perhaps only if) that type of change never occurred again. If we take that as a constraint today, a guideline that says "don't do so-and-so unless you have a very good reason" would still allow registries to "grandfather" existing names or make other rules about them as needed. A protocol change, especially one with lookup-time implications, would not have that property. That is one of several reasons why the three-level distinction I tried to make in my earlier note is important. best, john
- [Idna-update] FWD: Expiration impending: <draft-k… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Kim Davies
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… John R. Levine
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [Idna-update] FWD: Expiration impending: <dra… Francisco Arias
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [Idna-update] [Ext] FWD: Expiration impending… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Francisco Arias
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Asmus Freytag
- [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (was: … John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… John Levine
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… John R Levine
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… Asmus Freytag
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… John Levine
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [Idna-update] Expiration impending: <draft-kl… John C Klensin
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… John Levine
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… Asmus Freytag (c)
- Re: [Idna-update] IDNA and combining sequences (w… John R Levine