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Re: [Idna-update] [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt> (IDNA2008 and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mon, 10 December 2018 08:41 UTC

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From: "Martin J. Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
To: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
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On 2018/12/08 01:45, Nico Williams wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 12:52:20AM -0800, Asmus Freytag (c) wrote:
>> On 12/6/2018 10:50 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 01:45:02AM -0500, Vint Cerf wrote:
>>>>> The ability to type in domainnames you see in ads is not that
>>>>> interesting for the obvious reason that advertisers would not
>>>>> choose to use domainnames that their targets cannot type in!
>>>> VGC: I am not so sure advertisers are that smart...
>>>
>>> I am quite certain that they are, or if not, will be.  They spend
>>> lots of money, and they hate to spend it badly.  They even spend lots
>>> of money on how to spend lots more money well.
>>
>> It may not be advertisers that use such 'broken' labels. All sorts of
>> mischief can be created with stuff that your system won't let you type
>> (even if you are a native user on a "native" system).
> 
> Anyone who wants their target audience to be able to type in a label
> will pick labels wisely.

Yes. My way to say this is that not all advertisers are that smart, but 
those that aren't will sooner or later disappear (*). Similar for 
non-advertisers: If they come up with a good domain name, or (part of) 
an URI, they'll be remembered and found easily, if they don't, they'll 
just be ignored.

I don't think the IETF should be doing the advertisers' work, and even 
if we would, I feel very strongly that none of this would belong into 
Patrik's draft, which is about the update of the repertoire.

> Anyone who does not care whether their target audience is able to type
> in a label will be free to construct more interesting labels.
> 
> I see nothing wrong with that.

Me neither.

> Of course, we weren't discussing malicious use of confusables.  That's
> another story.

Yes indeed.

Regards,   Martin.

(*) Of course, because advertising is a rather vague and fuzzy business, 
the elimination doesn't work very quickly :-(.

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