Re: [Idna-update] [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt> (IDNA2008 and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC

Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> Fri, 07 December 2018 06:45 UTC

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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 01:45:02 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Idna-update] [I18nrp] Last Call: <draft-faltstrom-unicode11-05.txt> (IDNA2008 and Unicode 11.0.0) to Informational RFC
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The ability to type in domainnames you see in ads is not that
interesting for the obvious reason that advertisers would not
choose to use domainnames that their targets cannot type in!

VGC: I am not so sure advertisers are that smart...

v


On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 1:42 AM Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>; wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 07:16:03AM +0100, Patrik Fältström wrote:
> > 1. I think the ability (for example) copy and paste, respond to, click
> > on, save in bookmarks etc is the most important global requirement
>
> +1.
>
> > 2. The ability to type, to enter via a keyboard, read on a bus, etc is
> > secondary and have localization issues so very much different than (1)
>
> The ability to type in domainnames you see in ads is not that
> interesting for the obvious reason that advertisers would not
> choose to use domainnames that their targets cannot type in!
>
> As to domainnames seen elsewhere than in ads... typing them in is still
> not that interesting: there's always OCR (just point your smartphone at
> it and click) and QR codes (same thing).
>
> Besides, not concerning ourselves so much with the ability to type in a
> domainname is a very good simplification to make.  In general most of us
> cannot type in more than a very small number of scripts -- the ability
> to type in any domainname is basically an oxymoron.  We couldn't even
> require that users only ever see A-labels, which most users (perhaps!)
> could type in, because that would utterly defeat the whole point of
> IDNA.
>
> > My point was that because of this, I think retypable is very very very
> > much different than other, global, requirements, and the latter should
> > not (I think) muddy the waters of the first requirement I list above.
>
> +1.
>
> Nico
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