Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architecture and Call for Interests
Lori Jakab <lojakab@cisco.com> Fri, 31 March 2017 08:12 UTC
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From: Lori Jakab <lojakab@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architecture and Call for Interests
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On 3/31/17 7:57 AM, Jérôme François wrote: > Hi, > > Data is primordial but sharing them is very difficult (I'm not an > operator) due to privacy but also legislative issues. > Here are few comments: > 1) on anonymization: this far from being simple and I do not believe > that anybody can guarentee that nothing will be leaked out as > sensitive data (and at the end this will the responsability of the > operator who have shared the data). > -> That is why sharing but not in public manner (with a NDA) is still > the most viable solution (in my opinion) > > 2) charaterizing the data we would like to access is clearly a first > step (even if many of us like to have raw data) > > 3) Another possibility is to run the algorithms you want to test on a > remote platform without accessing the data and get back the results > (also here there might be some safguards to avoid that program tries > to extract sensitive data as results !) I think 3) is probably the most viable way forward for now. Lack of public data sets is not a new challenge for networking research, and I doubt saying that we're going to use traffic traces for ML applications is going to change that. Creating an open source platform, either pure software or software + hardware (like RIPE Atlas probes) that runs the algorithms on the data sending back only the results may have a better chance of success. -Lori > > jerome > > Le 31/03/2017 à 06:15, Laurent Ciavaglia a écrit : >> Also CAIDA has multiple measurement tools to collect data. >> Some IETFers are specialists of these tools and report findings on >> data collected via these tools. >> >> Might be something to look at. >> >> Also, and with this I'm finished for today, documenting the >> characteristics of the requested data set(s) might help. >> >> BR, Laurent. >> >> On 31/03/2017 06:12, Laurent Ciavaglia wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> A couple of suggestions: >>> -Why not raise this point / request in various WGs (e.g. in the >>> OPS Area) and RGs (e.g. MAPRG, NMRG). >>> -Why not work with the IETF meeting NOC to collect data sets? >>> >>> BR, Laurent. >>> >>> On 31/03/2017 05:07, Pedro Martinez-Julia wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> That's it and I insist that, if anybody in the mailing list is bound to >>>> an operator or a similar organization that manages huge amounts of data, >>>> just the data we need, please try to provide it. We will be able to help >>>> you to build some anonymization solution, if needed. Thank you. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Pedro >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Laurent Ciavaglia >>> >>> Nokia, Bell Labs >>> >>> >>> >>> +33 160 402 636 >>> >>> route de Villejust - Nozay, France >>> >>> linkedin.com/in/laurent.ciavaglia >>> >> >> -- >> >> Laurent Ciavaglia >> >> Nokia, Bell Labs >> >> >> >> +33 160 402 636 >> >> route de Villejust - Nozay, France >> >> linkedin.com/in/laurent.ciavaglia >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IDNET mailing list >> IDNET@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idnet > > > > _______________________________________________ > IDNET mailing list > IDNET@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idnet
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Sheng Jiang
- [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architecture… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Shamik Mishra
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Oscar Mauricio Caicedo Rendon
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian Njenga
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian Njenga
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Jérôme François
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian Njenga
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Jérôme François
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… 김민석
- [Idnet] 答复: Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… dingxiaojian (A)
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Alex Galis
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Chris Hammerschmidt
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… 김민석
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… 김민석
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… YuLing Chen (yulingch)
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Michele Zorzi
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Manav Bhatia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Wei Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Aydin Ulas
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… dingxiaojian (A)
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Laurent Ciavaglia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Laurent Ciavaglia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Jérôme François
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Lori Jakab
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Oscar Mauricio Caicedo Rendon
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Juraj Giertl
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia