Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated session call for case
yanshen <yanshen@huawei.com> Tue, 15 August 2017 02:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated session call for case
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Hi Haoyu, Agree. These two crucial cases in Network Management are what we are focusing on now. Since we plan to organize a dedicated session in NMRG, all the discussion will converge to the area of Network Management before Nov. Just expect Stenio's output few days later : ) Yansen > -----Original Message----- > From: steniofernandes@gmail.com [mailto:steniofernandes@gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Stenio Fernandes > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:09 AM > To: Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com> > Cc: yanshen <yanshen@huawei.com>; idnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated session call for case > > Haoyu, > > I'm working on the anomaly detection use case and will send it to the list this > week. > > Stenio > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Haoyu song <haoyu.song@huawei.com> > wrote: > > Yansen, > > > > > > > > I see two key use cases are missing in the current list: root cause > > analysis and anomaly detection. Those two are likely to use ML-based > > solutions and the first one has already received a lot of research. > > > > > > > > Haoyu > > > > > > > > From: IDNET [mailto:idnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of yanshen > > Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 8:36 PM > > To: idnet@ietf.org > > Subject: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated session call for > > case > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > Here is a summary and some index (2017.08.14). Till now, whatever the > > case is supported or not, I tried to organize all the content and keep > > the core part. It is still welcome to contribute and discuss. > > > > > > > > If I miss something important, please let me know. Apologized in advance. > > > > > > > > Yansen > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- Roadmap --------- > > > > ***Aug. : Collecting the use cases (related with NM). Rough thoughts > > and requirements > > > > Sep. : Refining the cases and abstract the common elements > > > > Oct. : Deeply analysis. Especially on Data Format, control flow, or > > other key points > > > > Nov.: F2F discussions on IETF100 > > > > --------- Roadmap End --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Gap and Requirement Analysis > > > > 1.1 Network Management requirement > > > > 1.2 TBD > > > > 2. Use Cases > > > > 2.1 Traffic Prediction > > > > Proposed by: yanshen@huawei.com > > > > Track: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idnet/current/msg00131.html > > > > Abstract: Collect the history traffic data and > > external data which may influence the traffic. Predict the traffic in > > short/long/specific term. Avoid the congestion or risk in previously. > > > > > > > > 2.2 QoS Management > > > > Proposed by: yanshen@huawei.com > > > > Track: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idnet/current/msg00131.html > > > > Abstract: Use multiple paths to distribute the > > traffic flows. Adjust the percentages. Avoid congestion and ensure QoS. > > > > > > > > 2.3 Application (and/or DDoS) detection > > > > Proposed by: aydinulas@gmx.net > > > > Track: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idnet/current/msg00133.html > > > > Abstract: Detect the application (or attack) from > > network packets (HTTPS or plain) Collect the history traffic data and > > identify a service or attack (ex: Skype, Viber, DDoS attack etc.) > > > > > > > > 2.4 QoE Management > > > > Proposed by: albert.cabellos@gmail.com > > > > Track: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idnet/current/msg00137.html > > > > Abstract: Collect low-level metrics (SNR, latency, > > jitter, losses, etc) and measure QoE. Then use ML to understand what > > is the relation between satisfactory QoE and the low-level metrics. As > > an example learn that when delay>N then QoE is degraded, but when > > M<delay<N then QoE is satisfactory for the customers (please note that > > QoE cannot be measured directly over your network). This is useful to > > understand how the network must be operated to provide satisfactory QoE. > > > > > > > > 2.5 (Encrypted) Traffic Classification > > > > Proposed by: jerome.francois@inria.fr; > > mskim16@etri.re.kr > > > > Track: [Jerome] > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idnet/current/msg00141.html ; > > [Min-Suk Kim] > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idnet/current/msg00153.html > > > > Abstract: > > > > [Jerome] collect flow-level traffic > > metrics such as protocol information but also meta metrics such as > > distribution of packet sizes, inter-arrival times... Then use such > > information to label the traffic with the underlying application > > assuming that the granularity of classification may vary (type of > > application, exact application name, > > version...) > > > > [Min-Suk Kim] continuously collect packet > > data, then applying learning process for traffic classification with > > generating application using deep learning models such as CNN > > (convolutional neural > > network) and RNN (recurrent neural network). Data-set to apply into > > the models are generated by processing with features of information > > from flow in packet data. > > > > > > > > 2.6 TBD > > > > > > > > 3. Data Focus > > > > 3.1 Data attribute > > > > 3.2 Data format > > > > 3.3 TBD > > > > > > > > 4. Support Technologies > > > > 4.1 Benchmarking Framework > > > > Proposed by: pedro@nict.go.jp > > > > Track: > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idnet/current/msg00146.html > > > > Abstract: A proper benchmarking framework > comprises > > a set of reference procedures, methods, and models that can (or better > > *must*) be followed to assess the quality of an AI mechanism proposed > > to be applied to the network management/control area. Moreover, and > > much more specific to the IDNET topics, is the inclusion, dependency, > > or just the general relation of a standard format enforced to the data > > that is used (input) and produced > > (output) by the framework, so a kind of "data market" can arise > > without requiring to transform the data. The initial scope of > > input/output data would be the datasets, but also the new knowledge > > items that are stated as a result of applying the benchmarking > > procedures defined by the framework, which can be collected together > > to build a database of benchmark results, or just contrasted with > > other existing entries in the database to know the position of the > > solution just evaluated. This increases the usefulness of IDNET. > > > > > > > > 4.2 TBD > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > IDNET mailing list > > IDNET@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idnet > > > > > > -- > Prof. Stenio Fernandes > CIn/UFPE > http://www.steniofernandes.com
- [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated session … yanshen
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Haoyu song
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Oscar Mauricio Caicedo Rendon
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Oscar Mauricio Caicedo Rendon
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Stenio Fernandes
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… yanshen
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… yanshen
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Haoyu song
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… yanshen
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… yanshen
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Albert Cabellos
- Re: [Idnet] Summary 20170814 & IDN dedicated sess… Stenio Fernandes