Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architecture and Call for Interests
David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net> Wed, 29 March 2017 14:25 UTC
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From: David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architecture and Call for Interests
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Apparently you can't attach a .pptx. The attachment is here (pptx and pdf): http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/ml/misc/musings.pptx http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/ml/misc/musings.pdf Thx, Dave On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 7:17 AM, David Meyer <dmm@1-4-5.net> wrote: > > Hey Min-Suk, > > Totally agree we need to learn from our environment, and RL is a natural > approach. After all, the network is always changing, has adversaries, etc. > All of this means. among other things, that we can't make simplifying > assumptions like stationary distributions, iid data, .... So RL is one way > to attack these problems, and the classic algorithms you mention below are > certainly a reasonable approach (I've been working with policy gradients > [0], trying to model/adapt the two-player game approach of AlphaGo to > networking; the problem there is that we don't have a source of labeled > expert data like the KGS Go server (https://www.gokgs.com/) to build the > supervised policy network....). > > You might also want to check out the recent "boot" of evolution strategies > as a black-box approach to RL (in particular no gradients). See [1], [2], > [3]. There is also a ton of code around if you want to try some of this > out (see e.g.,https://github.com/dennybritz/reinforcement-learning; this > one is in tensorflow). Finally, I've attached a few summary slides with > some of my musings on this topic from past talks. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > [BTW, two player minimax games seem to be popping up everywhere: AlphaGo, > variational autoencoders [4], GANs [5], and many others; something to thing > about for our domain] > > [0] https://papers.nips.cc/paper/1713-policy-gradient- > methods-for-reinforcement-learning-with-function-approximation.pdf > [1] https://blog.openai.com/evolution-strategies/ > [2] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.03864.pdf > [3] http://jmlr.csail.mit.edu/papers/volume15/wierstra14a/wierstra14a.pdf > [4] http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/ml/vae.pdf > [5] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1406.2661.pdf > > On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 4:04 PM, 김민석 <mskim16@etri.re.kr> wrote: > >> Hi Brian, >> >> >> As you mentioned by the prior email, anticipating network DDos >> attacks is really trendy issue to solve by ML techniques. >> >> We also make some efforts how to avoid fagile nodes by a trustworthy >> communication, that means quantifying trustworthiness of node with >> normalization of various requirements such as security function, bandwidth >> and etc. >> >> We are freshly approaching in routing layer with confidence using our own >> requirements, TPD(Trust Policy Distribution) and TD(Trust Degree). These >> requirements are considered to be solved by Reinforcement Learning >> (RL) that is one of the ML algorithms. RL is useful to control some of >> network policy about specific actions and states with reinforced and >> purnished rewards (+/-), but the problem is too slow to acquire satisified >> performance. Other ways to say it, anormaly dectection and regression >> analysis might be both efficient approaching methods to solve the issues >> Dave mentioned. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> Min-Suk Kim >> >> Senior Researcher / Ph.D. >> Intelligent IoE Network Research Section, >> *E*lectronics and *T*elecommunications *R*esearch *I*nstitute (*ETRI)* >> e-mail : mskim16@etri.re.kr <nskim@etri.re.kr> >> http://www.etri.re.kr/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Sheng Jiang
- [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architecture… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Shamik Mishra
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Oscar Mauricio Caicedo Rendon
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian Njenga
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian Njenga
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Jérôme François
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian Njenga
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Jérôme François
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… 김민석
- [Idnet] 答复: Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… dingxiaojian (A)
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Alex Galis
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Chris Hammerschmidt
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… 김민석
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… 김민석
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… YuLing Chen (yulingch)
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Michele Zorzi
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Manav Bhatia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Sheng Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Wei Jiang
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Aydin Ulas
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… dingxiaojian (A)
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Laurent Ciavaglia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Laurent Ciavaglia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Jérôme François
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Lori Jakab
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Oscar Mauricio Caicedo Rendon
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… David Meyer
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Juraj Giertl
- Re: [Idnet] Intelligence-Defined Network Architec… Pedro Martinez-Julia