Re: [Idnet] Benefits of Introducing AI into Network

Brian E Carpenter <> Thu, 11 May 2017 02:25 UTC

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Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:25:08 +1200
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On 11/05/2017 14:11, Pedro Martinez-Julia wrote:
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 01:35:47PM +1200, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>> On 10/05/2017 18:26, Fang, Luyuan wrote:
>>> I think what is driving all these points is scale. Without
>>> intelligence, very large scale networks simply become unmanageable, 
>> I am not sure that statement is always true. It is safe to say that
>> without *distributed solutions*, very large scale networks become
>> unmanageable, and AI technologies can be used to support distributed
>> solutions.
> Distributed solutions are required when the "large scale" is about the
> number of elements forming a network. However, they are required but not
> enough for dealing with a "large scale" of heterogeneity and complexity
> in scenarios.
> For example:
> - AI not required: Increase the bandwidth of all links by 10%.
> - AI required: Increase the bandwidth of all links to meet the possible
>   demands they can have in the near future according to the behavior of
>   the elements they are connected to.

I can agree with that in the general case, but in some cases a fairly simple
predictive algorithm could be used that scarcely deserves the title of AI.
It depends very much on the individual use case.

> I think that with these simple statements we can justify the need for AI
> methods in networking 

I definitely agree. We just have to be careful not to "sell" AI for
cases where it is too much.


> but, please, let me know your comments. Thank you
> very much.
> Regards,
> Pedro