Re: [Idr] [v6ops] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr-private-as-reservation-01 as IDR WG document

[David Farmer <[e-mail]>]

On 8/24/12 09:55 CDT, Randy Bush wrote:
>> So in the workshop were they suggesting using a private ASN or a
>> public registered ASN for this purpose?
>
> the example used is private, but we try to teach principles.  this is
> common practice in the ops world.

I understand, but I thought you we advocating that people shouldn't use 
private ASNs and therefore we don't need an additional 4-byte ASN block. 
  Did I misunderstand you?  Using Private ASNs relies on the Private ASN 
filtering many implementations have.  If you use a Public ASN are there 
common tools to filter a Public ASN as the RFC suggests you do?  I'm not 
aware of them, so I'm asking.

>> Would you suggest the RIRs have policy to allow a separate public
>> registered ASN for this purpose?
>
> i would hope we would be getting past micromanaging at that level of
> detail.  see http://www.apnic.net/policy/proposals/prop-103

Well APNIC requires multihoming to receive and ASN as do all of the 
other RIRs as far as I know.

From: http://www.apnic.net/policy/asn-policy ;
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5. Eligibility for ASN assignment

An organization is eligible for an ASN assignment if it:

     a. is multihomed; and
     b. has a single, clearly defined routing policy that is different 
from its providers' routing policies.

An organization will also be eligible if it can demonstrate that it will 
meet the above criteria upon receiving an ASN (or within a reasonably 
short time thereafter).
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So the problem is ASNs are already micro-manged by the RIRs, should we 
relieve some of the micro-management?  Maybe go back to the only 
requiring a unique routing policy with or without multihoming, before 
discontinuing any policy changes. :)

We really shouldn't pollute the IETF list with RIR policy discussions, 
but I believe if we don't provide a bigger 4-byte Private ASN range then 
we need to reform the RIR ASN policy regime.  Personally, I prefer both, 
but I'm trying to understand what you suggest the right thing to do is.

>> Are the slides available?
>
> well, there is a long trail of this slide set, as pfs has been teaching
> the bgp workshops for a decade or so.

The PFS pointer is enough

Thanks.

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