[Idr] Shepherd's report on WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-car-02
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Subject: [Idr] Shepherd's report on WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-car-02
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Below is the summary of the shepherd's report for The WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-car-02. Since a majority of the WG suggested progressing this draft as experimental, it is important to discuss these open issues so that we can move forward with the experimental draft. To quicken this process, the WG chairs have scheduled An interim to discuss open issues with CAR, CT, and Flowspec v2 on 9/25 (next Monday). The authors of the CAR will present on 1. Use of the two NLRIs for CAR SAFI and VPN CAR SAFI 2. Procedures for type 1 and type 2 Routes for CAR SAFI and VPN CAR SAFI 3. Use of CAR SAFI and VPN CAR SAFI for infrastructure routes 4. Service Routes versus Infrastructure routes WG LC Shepherd's report ======================================= IDR Wiki link: https://wiki.ietf.org/e/en/group/idr/CAR-WGLC The WG LC for CAR discussed the changes from draft-ietf-idr-bgp-car-01 to draft-ietf-idr-bgp-02 in a single mail thread. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/o8I1dOTIiLc-ImelfQUij1pQOJk/ This discussion centered around the additions in sections 8-10 With the following questions: 1) Motivation for IP Prefix NLRI 2) Why was the type 2 NLRI - IP Prefix added? 3) Questions on clarity of support for Type 2 NLRI (IP Prefix) in sections 4) Security concerns for the AFI/SAFI 5) Lack of clarity in procedures in sections 8-10 6) Relationship among multiple drafts related to SRv6 7) Using CAR SAFI and CAR VPN SAFI for transport (infrastructure routes) 8) Use of CAR-SAFIs for Service Families Please note there is only 1 implementation for the Type 2 NLRI (IP Prefix). This shepherd's report provides a review and action items for most of these issues. The Routing Directorate review found the introduction needed some improvement. Link: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/0X_q_e09ejtb0NZQ25smUrklwmQ/ Reviewer: Ben Niven-Jenkins Review result: Has Issues It should cover 1) introduction to AFI/SAFIs 2) introduction of two NLRI types. The Ops/NM directorate found https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/4SgOciKKtA9nap1M-f6eHRKNtWc/ Raised issues on 1) amount of abbreviations without explanation 2)In this draft, it says E is globally unique, which makes E-C in that order unique. Can this be explained. 3) Why the type 2 NLRI for IP Prefix was needed. 4) dependency on the progression of draft-ietf-hr-spring-intentaware-routing-using-color? 5) Needing an operations section 6) Several Editorial issues (see list in email).
- [Idr] Shepherd's report on WG LC for draft-ietf-i… Susan Hares
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- Re: [Idr] Shepherd's report on WG LC for draft-ie… Yingzhen Qu
- Re: [Idr] Shepherd's report on WG LC for draft-ie… Dhananjaya Rao (dhrao)
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