[Idr] Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer-10

Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Mon, 01 July 2024 18:59 UTC

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Use trust200902.  

The IDR chairs will work with the IESG to figure out how we can get some sort of long-lived documentation that the approval exists.

-- Jeff


> On Jul 1, 2024, at 2:01 PM, Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Norman andJob,
> 
> I looked at a few RFCs with normative references published before 10 November 2008, where trust200902 was used instead of pre5378Trust200902. How do we know which one should be used?
> 
> Thanks,
> Yingzhen
> 
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 6:52 PM Job Snijders <job@fastly.com <mailto:job@fastly.com>> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Jul 2024 at 10:41, Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:yingzhen.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Roman,
> 
> Thanks for the review and comments. I've uploaded version -11 to address your comments. Please see detailed answers inline below.
> 
> Thanks,
> Yingzhen
> 
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 8:48 AM Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org <mailto:rdd@cert.org>> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm swapping with John and stepping in as the responsible AD for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer.  I performed an AD review on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer-10.  Thanks for this document.  My feedback is as follows:
> 
> ** idnits reports:
> 
>   -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but may
>      have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008.  If you
>      have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing to grant
>      the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you can ignore
>      this comment.  If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. 
>      (See the Legal Provisions document at
>      https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info <https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info> for more information.)
> 
> Have the original authors been contact or should the alternative boilerplate be used?
> 
> [Yingzhen]: updated to use "pre5378Trust200902".
> 
> 
> I am not sure that’s needed. As far as I can tell idnits is being too conservative in this instance.
> 
> Multiple updates to RFC 4271 have been performed over the last few years with the trust200902, where one or two sentences were copied to indicate the “new text” insertion point, for example RFC 8212.
> 
> I’m also under the impression the original authors granted the IETF Trust some rights.
> 
> I’d prefer if we change the boilerplate back.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Job
> 
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