Re: [Idr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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From: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
To: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Lars/Rob,

The point was about "final" allocation under "Specification Required" scheme and the ability of the WG to do that using WG documents before they become RFCs. The "Specification Required" does not seem to consider Internet-Drafts as "permanent and readily available".

The issue was not really with early allocation and RFC7120. Very likely that process is suitable for other areas/WGs. The WG felt that the early allocation process was onerous when it came to BGP-LS specs.

Thanks,
Ketan

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From: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> 
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To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>
Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; idr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry@ietf.org; adrian@olddog.co.uk; Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>; idr-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Hi,

On 2021-3-25, at 14:51, Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote:
> Hence, my preference is to publish now, but we should work out how to fix this properly before we get a flood of similar documents.

that is a reasonable way forward.

To scope this potential revision of RFC7120, let's briefly make sure we capture the issues that at least IDR has identified, so someone has a starting point to work off of:

- would like early allocation for specs before they are "stable"
  - open question on what to do about non-interoperable changes?

- would like to do early allocation for non-IETF specs

- would like early allocations to not time out
  - or at least time out much later than after one year?
  - for large registries, may not need to deprecate outdated early allocations at all
  - for others, task chairs/ADs; is this workable?
    - how would we do this last point for non-IETF specs?

Thanks,
Lars