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From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
To: Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
CC: "draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-idr-tunnel-encaps@ietf.org>, idr-chairs <idr-chairs@ietf.org>, "idr@ietf. org" <idr@ietf.org>
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I just noticed this, very late:

On Feb 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:aretana.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:

211    In this document we address these deficiencies by:

[style nit] Please don't write in first person.  Instead: "This
document addresses these deficiencies by:".  There is similar text in
other places.

FWIW I disagree with this completely and will gladly fight you about it, name the place and the weapon.

I joke about fighting of course, but not about disagreeing. My thesis advisor tried to knock it into my head that it’s not actually a requirement that academic writing be boring. I usually fail at this but I appreciate it when people try!

That said, if the authors want to make the change, it’s fine of course. “Nobody ever got fired for avoiding the first person.” (Or writing in the passive voice for that matter.)

—John

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