Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedures for BGP Well-known communities
"Tony Li" <tony.li@tony.li> Wed, 13 August 2008 04:43 UTC
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From: Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedures for BGP Well-known communities
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Poll response, with commentary in line... Largely, I think this whole discussion is a semantic quibble because of a misunderstanding of the ability to declare something 'well-known'. If we simply select some other arbitrary term (e.g., global) and define it reasonably, this entire discussion becomes moot. |Which way do you support Brian's proposal? |No selection limitation | [X] Support generally the adoption of such a proposal | [ ] Do not support generally the adoption of such a proposal | [X] If yes to the first, support Standards Action plus FCFS | [ ] If yes to the first, support just FCFS I have no objections to Brian's technical content. However, I'm concerned about the semantic usage of the term 'well-known'. As has been discussed, this bit of terminology has been around for a very long time and we can't easily go redefining it without creating mass confusion. Thus, I believe it's very difficult to add new well-known communities (or path-attributes) at this late date. We should simply accept this reality and move on. |Well-Known vs. Standards-Action |You may select 1 option | [ ] Rename Well-Known to Standards-Action? | [ ] Add an 'Also Known As Standards-Action' to Well-Known? | [x] Neither one Why not simply have a "standards action" (or similarly named) class of code points. One then says that compliance with a given RFC requires a specific interpretation of a given community value? |Assignment strategy options |You may select 1 option | [x] Support Early Assignment of Standards-Action |Communities, per RFC | 4020? | [ ] Do not support Early Assignment of Standards-Action |Communities, | per RFC 4020? | [x] Allow Early Assignment for Individual Internet Drafts? | [ ] Do not allow Early Assignment for Individual Internet |Drafts (WG | drafts only)? | |What does 'Well-Known' status represent? |You may select 1 option | [ ] multiple implementations | [ ] other -> please post a reply with the criteria As defined earlier, well-known implies that it is supported by ALL implementations that support the base specification. As those implementations are already in the field, you cannot subsequently declare those implementations non-compliant. |Allotted time for achieving 'Well-Known' (permanent) status |for any Early |Assignments? |You may select 1 option | [ ] 6 months | [ ] 1 year | [ ] 18 months | [ ] 2 years | [X] other -> please post your criteria | [ ] never Why not just allow the standards track to progress? Tony _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
- [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedures fo… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Thomas M. Knoll
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Cayle Spandon
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… David Ward
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call on Proposed IANA procedure… Brian Dickson