Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25
Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Thu, 29 October 2020 11:18 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25
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Robert, On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 09:22:29AM +0100, Robert Raszuk wrote: > > - I think requiring extended optional params is a good idea for this. It > > mitigates the necessity for having to do do the math to squeeze stuff in > > or not. > > How about we would just carry a fixed size URL reference to this > effectively static and opaque to the bgp protocol information instead of > actual text string ? I think this is problematic in a few senses: - Sure, you could take this idea to the extreme that we'll just have a single four-byte field with a FCFS registry that everyone uses and has private space for a local registry. And people would hate that. You're devolving to pre-registration for something that may change frequently. - Sure, you could just reserve char version[64] in the structure, but domain names may vary in length. And when you move to punycode i18n domains, this could be even messier. See prior issues with RFC 8203. - I strongly expect that some operators will want to stick in their own strings here. "Role" potentially in combination with "version". > IMO anything which is static and is not needed for protocol operations, > best path selection etc ... should be passed as a pointer. > > Fetching such string could be done in spare CPU times well before need to > locally present it or at the run time when someone executes a show cmd or > other form of query api. Which is really a lot of typing to say "we're not exchanging this out of band ... why?" Which is still a legitimate argument. It's why I think the use case, although slightly helpful, has a lot of weaknesses. The one slight boost I give the core use case that we're regularly seeing in data center cases is protocol stacks are being spun up with very little additional components. This provides a push to consolidate channels for sending critical information. -- Jeff
- [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-ver… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… john heasley
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… EXT - heas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-statemen… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Kausik Majumdar
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Kausik Majumdar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Acee Lindem
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk