Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
Jeff Wheeler <jsw@inconcepts.biz> Thu, 13 December 2012 14:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 1:35 PM, David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> wrote: > Nick, why is this any different than creating a regexp that matches the > current private ASN range? To me this is a CLI/Config semantics issue and > not a standards or allocation issue. When I read the above argument, I think it is a clear statement that you don't just not care how something appears in a CLI/NMS, but you actually care more about an arbitrary range of numbers being unnecessarily bit-aligned than you do a zero-cost move of that range to where it can be CLI-friendly. Operators do care what is on the CLI. Operators also think the IETF pays little attention to our concerns. That's our fault for not participating in the IETF process, but here you've got some operators saying, please, reconsider this allocation! Make it easier on us! And then you've got some guys whining about a bit-alignment thing that actually isn't. Why isn't it bit-aligned? Because ASN 2^32-1 is already reserved by IANA and is not part of this new proposed private ASN range. That means a programmer implementing a test to find if an ASN is in this private range will be doing a range-check. Could you make a branch table from the first bits and then do the second arithmetic comparison? Sure. Why would you want to? Unless there are a bunch of other branches in the table, it will be slower. There is no argument to be made that the bit-alignment can make code faster. We are talking about a difference of a few instruction cycles on any modern CPU anyway, but unless there will be a bunch of other results besides "private" and "not private," which would mean there are going to be a bunch of other reservations for different kinds of ASNs in the future, then the bit-alignment simply does not offer an advantage. Making the branch-table would actually be slower, but not so much slower you would care; however you probably won't implement the branch table anyway because it is both more complicated and slower. I continue to think that a decimal-aligned allocation makes more sense. I also agree with Nick Hilliard that this range should possibly be much lower in the ASN space to further improve legibility. -- Jeff S Wheeler <jsw@inconcepts.biz> Sr Network Operator / Innovative Network Concepts
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- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Neil J. McRae
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Richard A Steenbergen
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Stewart Bryant