Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avoid squatting on code points
Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> Tue, 01 November 2016 17:07 UTC
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Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:07:13 +0100
From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
To: Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avoid squatting on code points
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Keyur, Patel, this is not a thread about -wide- early allocation... On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 05:03:22PM +0000, Keyur Patel wrote: > +1. > > Regards, > Keyur > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> wrote: > > > > I support an early attribute code allocation for wide communities. > > I'm happy for it to have 129 if that's what it's been using. > > Of course, it's not my call to make, just my opinion. > > > > Thanks, > > Jakob. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John G. Scudder > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:05 AM > >> To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> > >> Cc: IETF IDR Working Group <idr@ietf.org> > >> Subject: [Idr] Early allocations and other ways to avoid squatting on code points > >> > >> I have changed the subject line to reflect the fact we are off on a tangent and no longer relevant to adoption of > >> the draft in question. > >> > >>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: > >>> Few days back You and others complained that Wide was not implemented by anyone for so many years. Now when we see > >> it actually was implemented at least by few BGP code basis it is again bad. > >> > >> I'm not sure what you mean by "it is again bad" but see the message I just sent -- we were not asked for an > >> allocation for the code base in question (not sure what other code bases you are including in "few", I think one was > >> reported). > >> > >> When the question of early allocation for wide came up recently (I don't recall if it was on the list, in private > >> email, in conversation or what, sorry) my feedback was to ask whether wide satisfies the stability requirement given > >> in RFC 7120 Section 2 (c). Certainly if there is need for an allocation for wide and it can satisfy the RFC 7120 > >> requirements, let's do it. If it can't satisfy the requirements, read on: > >> > >>> So to me the problem we need to solve is how to allow early implementations for any proposal on the table > >> especially now when we have no two but at least 8 production BGP implementations (and growing). Forbidding it does > >> not seems to me like a solution to the main problem. > >> > >> I expect we will be discussing this at our upcoming meeting, although that's no reason not to continue the > >> conversation on the list right now, on the contrary. Jeff has also written a draft that tries to address the problem, > >> he posted a pointer to it yesterday, https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-haas-idr-extended-experimental/ > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --John > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Idr mailing list > >> Idr@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
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