Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on..)
Brian Dickson <brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com> Thu, 27 October 2016 19:05 UTC
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From: Brian Dickson <brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:04:12 -0700
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on..)
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On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:20:38AM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Op 26 okt. 2016, om 19:32 heeft marco@lamehost.it het volgende > geschreven: > > > October 26, 2016 6:57 PM, "heasley" <heas@shrubbery.net> wrote: > > >> Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:43:23AM -0700, Brian Dickson: > > >> > > >>> Rather than deprecate the two sequential values, why not reserve a > > >>> small range which includes those values, for non-permanent > > >>> reservations for vendor development use? Say 30-35 inclusive? > > >> > > >> isnt this bgp path attribute 255? > > > > > > I was suggesting the same thing out-of-list today. > > > We should really assign ~5 values to experimental/development puroposes > > > > I think this would be useful both to allow for larger-scale testing of > > new attributes, and for vendors to be more easily be able to test > > multiple new attributes in-house. > > The problem here is that people are not abiding the rules, and offering > more codepoints will only work if people abide those rules. I have no > confidence that more dev codepoints resolve the issue. > The counter argument is very simple: If we don't offer more code points, they *definitely* won't use them (and thus abide by the rules). The consequence of offering already-squatted code points for this purpose, is that it makes it possible to abide by the rules (if they need multiple code points simultaneously). If the number of squatted code points was truly significant, compared to the pool of code points, I'd say concern would be warranted, but we aren't at that point, IMHO. (Significant, by my estimate, would be ~10% total, or ~10% of remaining, or at a run-rate of > 5% of remaining per year. Those are roughly 25, 20, and 10/yr respectively. We've seen 3/yr this year, but it is anomalous when we consider the last 20 years.) Providing a non-trivial, but small, fixed pool, would not be harmful, and would provide both a good way of enabling those who want to play by the rules, and greater visibility to who the parties are. If squatting continues after that pool is established, then we should think about what to do. Doing so now, is probably premature. Brian
- [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attrib… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Michael H Lambert
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Kristian Larsson
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Dickinson, Ian
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Julian Seifert
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… John G. Scudder
- [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [was:… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Wesley George
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild 'Peter Hessler'
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… marco
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… marco
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Paul Jakma
- [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attrib… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… heasley
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… heasley
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… marco
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Sander Steffann
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Sander Steffann
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… marco
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… marco
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… marco
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Colin Petrie
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Colin Petrie
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Zhuangshunwan