Re: [Idr] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8092 (4962)

Nick Hilliard <nick@inex.ie> Fri, 10 March 2017 20:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8092 (4962)
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John G. Scudder wrote:
> I'm not so sure I agree with Alvaro that the case for the change is
> open-and-shut -- although he's right there are various other
> occurrences, there are also two other occurrences of the singular
> "Community" in the security section. If we're actually going to pick
> this nit, shouldn't the erratum cover all of them? Although in one
> case, changing to the plural would make the text exceedingly
> awkward.

"Community" vs "communities" was discussed at length during the
authorship process, and the term "language torture" was used in relation
to this specific point.  The root problem is that 1997 conflated the two
terms and we're left with an ambiguity about which term means what.

> I for one would support letting sleeping dogs lie, but whatever.

Please let's do this; the meaning is clear.  If there is a future
revision, it can be changed.

Nick