Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN range

[Jeffrey Haas <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 08:18:01PM +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
> > The answer probably is something along the lines of "ARIN charges $500
> > for a registration and $100 per year for 'maintenance'".  Modulo
> > waiving part of this if you're already paying for address space.  (And
> > I'm only picking on ARIN because they're the first site I checked.)
> > 
> > Frankly I'd rather see the RIRs have *4-byte* AS number pricing in
> > line with the cost of registering a domain ($20 US) and then kill this
> > draft.  (Note, also spoken as someone who was going to author a
> > similar draft.)
> 
> the real cost is address space.  if you are gonna play this game fix the
> real problem.

A lot of people are using private-AS peering within a SP's address space
just to get some routing.  They don't need a public AS.  They don't need
provider independent space.

They don't want to run an IGP since the failure modalities are ugly and are
hard to mitigate.
The next best protocol that gives them filtering is RIP.

> and, i sure hope you are not proposing to us this 'private' AS space as
> a cheap replacement for real AS space.

No, I'm not.  It's one of the reasons I'm happy with closer to 65K ASes than 1M.

> the capex you save will be
> overwhelmed by the opex of maintaining a new global AS space co-joined
> with the traditional one.

Right now an opex pain point for some larger providers is dealing with the
absence of enough private ASes to keep their internal stuff, well, private.
It's much the same argument as the providers who had run out of RFC 1918
space and do address squatting.  I haven't heard any first-hand accounts of
AS-squatting, and I hope I never do.

-- Jeff