Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-hares-idr-bgp-registries-01.txt
"Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> Wed, 22 March 2017 21:49 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-hares-idr-bgp-registries-01.txt
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Eric: What I summarize from your note is the following: 1) You do not feel WG chairs or ADs are collaborative in the IETF professional society even though the IETF runs on rough consensus and running code. You feel WG chairs and ADs are motivated by commercial reasons before the altruism of the IETF professional ideals. 2) You want a BGP attribute name-space without any oversight, even though squatting brought attribute conflict that lead us to this point. 3) "egad process" is the depth of your understanding on the IANA reviews. Wow! An anarchist in a standards society with a low opinion of moral of WG chairs and ADs. Thank you for bringing an enjoyable moment into my day. Sue From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:erosen@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 4:54 PM To: Susan Hares; adrian@olddog.co.uk Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-hares-idr-bgp-registries-01.txt On 3/21/2017 11:55 AM, Susan Hares wrote: Eric: Politics: I do not know how this introduces politics - since it is just the WG chairs. The WG chairs for BGP related groups are very collaborative. And they would never dream of trying to manipulate the process in order to slow down the work of a competitor! Absolutely unheard of. A committee with no politics? That would be a first. If they are not collaborative, the ADs can work with or replace the WG chairs. Oh, no politics there either ;-) And we know how quickly things happen when the ADs have to "work with or replace" the chairs. How does it speed up things? It provides 8 designated experts which means IANA does not have to chase down a few people (2-3). Currently, with no designated experts, IANA does not have to chase down anyone. Requiring additional approvals can only slow things down, not speed them up. This is the most often reason for IANA slow-downs (AFAIK). The collaborative chairs can decide on a rotation for a designated person to check up with other chairs. Egad, more process. Have I responded to all your concerns? Not at all.
- [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-h… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Tony Przygienda
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Eric C Rosen
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Enke Chen
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Thoughts on https://www.ietf.org/id/dra… John G. Scudder
- [Idr] Anti-squatting Re: Thoughts on https://www.… t.petch