Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr-private-as-reservation-01 as IDR WG document
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Mon, 20 August 2012 23:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr-private-as-reservation-01 as IDR WG document
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> Does the existing private use space make you uncomfortable? it is a grotty hack. but it works and is well embedded in ops use. so what the heck. > Do you think that having more of a resource which is not widely used > to capacity by organizations (I assume a fair amount of organizations > can fit all of their use cases into 1K ASNs) that use it already will > make it abused more? I've had some trouble quantifying your > concerns... you seem to think in quantity. i am not. what is the need for it? we do what this seems to want already. we use one bloody private as and turn off loop check. yes, it is kinky. but we already bought into kink when we decided to hide a peering. given that, this just smells like an end-run on the iana/rir system. now i probably hate the rirs more than anyone. but it is the system we have. and if folk are assigning this stuff willy nilly, then i want a proper registry. randy
- [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr-pri… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Petr Lapukhov
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Shishio Tsuchiya
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)
- Re: [Idr] [v6ops] Call for adoption of draft-mitc… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] [v6ops] Call for adoption of draft-mitc… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] [v6ops] Call for adoption of draft-mitc… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… Mohan Nanduri
- Re: [Idr] Call for adoption of draft-mitchell-idr… John G. Scudder