Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy - (6/6 to 6/20/2016)
Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 11 June 2016 04:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy - (6/6 to 6/20/2016)
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> However my honest observation is that this approach would work well > when operators would only operate on binary BGP code with such > functionality enabled as mandatory capability and be always ON by > default with no option to disable it. Said this we all have to admit > that such times are long gone and as soon as NOC have a business case > and chance to disable it their marketing folks will force them to do > so. > > So the real question comes to the point if IDR is in position to issue > RFCs to test ISP marketing guys in their level of power to enforce big > vendors to add knobs disabling such capabilities or speeding up > shifting to open source BGP .... complex twisty path which starts and ends in unhelpful places. i am not interested in a vendor nanny state, never have been. see the very careful and complete operator control in RFC 6811 BGP Prefix Origin Validation. if i know i have a 'normal' relationship with a bgp neighbor, give me to tools to mark it as such and to detect and maybe even ameliorate damage by [untentional (i am an optimist)] violation of that normality. if i do not have a normal relationship, i won't use protective tools which assume and enforce normality. life can be simple. randy
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-po… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Osborne, Eric
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Osborne, Eric
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Osborne, Eric
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Keyur Patel (keyupate)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Andrei Robachevsky
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Marco Marzetti
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… heasley
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-ope… Randy Bush