Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25
Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Wed, 28 October 2020 21:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-version-capability-08, to end September 25
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Adding in a comment as I clear my backlog: On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 06:18:21PM +0000, John Scudder wrote: > It seems to me that the discussion hasn’t concluded and we are still having productive discussion. Hence, I would like to extend the period for discussion by another week, now to conclude on October 2. I have general concerns about this feature. But let me offer related observations why my opinion is "not a fan, but of potential use": - This capability is advertised prior to session establishment. RFC 8203 got a bit of jutification for putting in text during a NOTIFICATION where the session is going down anyway. Having this at session start means less chance for damange than if we're exchanging stuff a bit more interactively in something like the operational message. - I think requiring extended optional params is a good idea for this. It mitigates the necessity for having to do do the math to squeeze stuff in or not. I would qualify the feature as "mostly harmless" and "useful in some circumstancs". Use in BGP fabrics is one I find a compelling use case. I'm strongly supportive of the concerns with using this feature for general ISP eBGP use cases. I will, however, offer the related observation that an ISP may like knowing what version of software their customers are running. It may ease situations where service providers may want to signal a customer to upgrade a vulnerable stack. Consider me weakly supportive of adoption and fast WGLC. -- Jeff
- [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp-ver… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… john heasley
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… EXT - heas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Alvaro Retana
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-statemen… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2cloud-problem-stat… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Kausik Majumdar
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Kausik Majumdar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] [EXTERNAL] Re: draft-ietf-rtgwg-net2clo… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Acee Lindem
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Donatas Abraitis
- [Idr] Re: WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WG adoption call for draft-abraitis-bgp… Robert Raszuk